and the economy doesn't work that way. so, you know, if we're going to see more rapid growth, you know, it's fairly narrow places it has to come from. you know, are we going to see some surge in consumption? very hard to see. is there going to be a surge in investment? you know, very hard to see. basically, the government's the one entity that has the ability to boost the economy. >> by spending money? >> by spending money. larger deficits. you know, that is what it boils down to. and that's, you know, you cannot say that. i mean, i've talked to people in the administration, talked to people in congress, they go, "oh, i'll get killed if i say that." well, some of them got to say it because that happens to be true. >> do you believe it? >> absolutely. i mean, if you want to look at the economy in a very simple way, we'll just get rid of the import-export sector because for the u.s., this won't change the story. you've got households, you've got the government, you've got businesses. households tend to be net savers because